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LyKcantropen
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posted February 18, 2005 11:51     Profile for LyKcantropen   Email LyKcantropen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I've just got back from a week long visit to Berlin, Krakow, Auschwitz-Birkenau and Warsaw, and I have a few pictures you might be interested in seeing, especially if you've never been. There's one of my ugly mug with a couple of jokers you might recognise too.

Berlin Jewish Museum, Garden of Exile
Berlin Resistance Memorial
Plaque to Von Stauffenberg et. al.
The Wall
Sea of Crosses, Checkpoint Charlie
Me
Arbeit Macht Frei
Auschwitz #1
Auschwitz #2
Auschwitz #3
Birkenau
Krakow, Marketplace
Krakow, Park in the Snow

Great trip, and a real eye-opener. Berlin and Krakow are great places, Warsaw less so, which is understandable given the city's history. Simply walking around a lot of the places gives an intense feeling of the events which transpired there - crossing over the Vistula on a tram to the spot where Stalin parked his armies while the Battle for Warsaw raged for 63 days, sitting in the office where von Stauffenberg plotted to kill the Fuehrer, standing in the park where thousands of books were burned by the Nazis.

Auschwitz in itself was, understandably, an unpleasant experience, but one I'm glad I had. The place is surrounded with a palpable air of depression and misery. The "museum" parts are essentially superfluous, the place speaks for itself. We were lucky enough to have an excellent guide, as well, who wasn't afraid to dispel any sense of superiority we English might have had - the British, after all, invented the Concentration Camp, with the Americans did nothing to halt the process at the camp, and the western allies did nothing to oppose the practical annexation of Poland after World War Two.


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posted February 18, 2005 11:59     Profile for h   Email h     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Cool snaps Lyc. I was just over in Berlin a couple of months back looking at all the same places as you, although the Garden of Exile place wasn't quite finshed then. We got told a lot about the protests over the thing being built though. It's an interesting part of the world. I'd like to check out Auschwitz one day too. Must be damn heavy, man (Šunderstatement of the millenium).
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nia
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posted February 18, 2005 13:09     Profile for nia   Email nia     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
those were really great. thank you for posting them here.
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Luna
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posted February 18, 2005 14:10     Profile for Luna   Email Luna     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
OMFG, Lyncanthropy! I love you!!!!

Those destinations are some of my dream destinations...awesome!

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vroomfondel
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posted February 18, 2005 14:45     Profile for vroomfondel   Email vroomfondel     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Looks like you had a great trip there mate.

Oh i remember (barely) the first time i was shitfaced, that was in West Berlin in1981 and the drink was Hansa Pils. We went in to a disco and Overkill was playing way too loud. Very nice town indeed

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hypergrrl
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posted February 18, 2005 17:06     Profile for hypergrrl   Email hypergrrl     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
[QB]...with the Americans did nothing to halt the process at the camp...[QB]

Not to get all political or anything, but maybe America was too busy conducting a little genocide of their own: the Native Americans. Most of us know the history. We weren't even recognized with cititzenship until 1924! The right to vote came even later than that.

When we went to the Holocaust Museum in DC last September, I couldn't help but see similarities in the way Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc. were treated and the way the indigenous people of all of the Americas were treated. Basically as non-human. I was almost glad we got there late and had to rush through.

What surprised me the most was the amazing amount of documentation of the Nazi agenda. That was frightening. I can't imagine actually visiting any of those conentration camps.


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schroeder
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posted February 18, 2005 17:42     Profile for schroeder   Email schroeder     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
GREAT PHOTOS

Thanks for sharing them with us.

Sometimes it's hard to consider yourself a 'proud american' with such a fuck up history we have left behind. There is nothing to be proud of in the way this country has treated so many different cutures and people with different lifestyles.

HOME OF THE FREE??? gimme a break

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Väinämöinen
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posted February 18, 2005 18:03     Profile for Väinämöinen   Email Väinämöinen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"Berlin and Poland pictures"? Bah, I thought that that eighties synth-pop band and Chris P. were joining forces!

Very nice pics and thoughtful commentary too, thanks for sharing.

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LyKcantropen
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posted February 18, 2005 19:17     Profile for LyKcantropen   Email LyKcantropen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Say what you like about America, the Soviet Union was far more damaging in the long run. Before 1939, Warsaw was a bustling, diverse capital with a wealth of history. Now, for the most part, it's a Stalinist wasteland of cracked roads and grey concrete.

...and that's only the case because of the tragedy of the Warsaw uprising. While the Soviet armies looked on, camped on the other side of the Vistula, the Polish Home Army - only 1/4 of which had a weapon of some sort - tried desperately to retake their city. The effort lasted 63 days until the insurgents were forced to surrender. As a punishment, Hitler ordered what was left of the city that wasn't already rubble to be demolished and burned. All while the Soviets looked on.


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The Crippler
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posted February 18, 2005 21:15     Profile for The Crippler   Email The Crippler     Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
nice pics man! but way too much snow for my liking, i'm a sun and surf kinda guy
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marco
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posted February 23, 2005 03:37     Profile for marco   Email marco     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Great pics, thanks!

I was in Berlin several times but I prefere my first trip when I was there in 1990, just after the wall broke down..Now the city has been fully rebuilded and unfortnately it has becomed similar to all the modern west city (the Sony Center built in Potsdamer Platzt's it's horrible in my opinion).

I love touring the ex-east side during the night, I think it's wonderful. Walking in the night along Karl Mark Alle from Alexanderplatz to Friedrischain always gives me a great emotion. The real-socialist architecture style it's very impressive.

Been only one time in Poland at Warsaw and one thing I remember was there were a lot of very very nice girls...ahahhaah


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neutrino
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posted February 23, 2005 09:04     Profile for neutrino   Email neutrino     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Brings back memories... walking at night in Prenzlauerberg...

Lyc, that photo of you with the 2 bikers, it's above Alexanderplatz, isn't it? I remember another great sculpture (of Ernst Thälmann), I think it's a bit further on Greifswalderstrasse, did you see it?


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LyKcantropen
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posted February 23, 2005 10:07     Profile for LyKcantropen   Email LyKcantropen     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, it's up on Alexanderplatz, a short walk from the Rathaus and the old TV tower. Honestly, I prefer the East side's architecture too. The Sony Centre is an eyesore with nothing inside it.

There are some very nice statues in Warsaw's old city as well. The Tomb of the Unknown Soldier was very moving, I was lucky enough to watch them changing the guard, too. Shame I left my camera at the hotel on that day.


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neutrino
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posted February 23, 2005 10:44     Profile for neutrino   Email neutrino     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
found it: Thaelmannpark
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marco
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posted February 24, 2005 04:00     Profile for marco   Email marco     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Lyc I suppose you also visit the legendary club SO36 in Kreuzberg where a lot of great live albums have been recorded.
I remember see there Agnostic Front in 1992..

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