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Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted September 19, 2008 09:20

Listening to Death Magnetic I am hearing guitar tones and some off-time chording played on the guitar that I have never heard kirk or james play in that manner before. I do not know if I am implying there is a connection here, but I can hear it !

I will make this long-winded rant short by stating that there are fucking PIGGY-RIFFS in death magnetic that were never present in any other metallica songs ever.

I do love a good conspiracy.

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pppaaaüüülll
VoivodFan
Member # 13

posted September 19, 2008 13:34

what have you been on ???

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hypergrrl
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Member # 16

posted September 19, 2008 15:49

AHA!!! I knew it couldn't just be me!!!

I've only heard what they play on the radio, but there was one where I sat there and went....."WTF, that is a total Voivod riff ripoff!" I even mentioned it to Luna the other day. The song I heard was "Cyanide".

What is this world coming to....by the way, what I have heard, I don't care for....BUT, that dumb Cyanide, you know, I was almost enjoying it, it had some good riffs and ....oh wait, those were the Voivod-y ripped-off ones

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Väinämöinen
VoivodFan
Member # 27

posted September 19, 2008 15:59

Nice theory there! Then again, many bands have imitated Piggy's work before. Why not Metallica too.

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Head Villain
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Member # 524

posted September 19, 2008 16:47

Haha, this is true, you here Voivod-sounding riffs all over the place these days.

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Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted September 19, 2008 17:00

Lars is such a cheap ass you just know he downloaded VoiVod's discography too

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shargraves
VoivodFan
Member # 575

posted September 19, 2008 17:06

which songs?

i've had the albm for ages and can't be arsed listening to it. It bores the fuck out me.

If some songs have good bits, I want to hear it.... Theres no way metallica have discovered dissonance on their own.

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JUDGE FARGO
VoivodFan
Member # 250

posted September 19, 2008 17:14

Metallica have been aware of what Voivod sound like a long time, and Jason has been playing with them on and off since 1989.

Piggy got his chords from Robert Fripp, so a little homage is harmless.

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Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted September 19, 2008 17:27

Metallica must have been wondering that there had to be some reason VOIVOD s/t was heavier than st Anger, and I am quite shocked they figured it out...

Suicide & Redemption
Cyanide
the Judas Kiss (bits)
End of Line (bits around 2:17)

I did hear Away discribe Piggy's style in some interview as being also like Keith Emerson keyboards from ELP.

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JUDGE FARGO
VoivodFan
Member # 250

posted September 19, 2008 18:41

Diminished chords and whole tone scales were adopted wholesale by Fripp for rock before anybody.

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schroeder
VoivodFan
Member # 5

posted September 19, 2008 21:10

From what I hear, ALL the riffs on the new cd are played by Jamez (both guitars). Kirk only did the solos, no rhythm guitar at all.

Piggy's mentioned Fripp as a huge influence many times in past interviews. Probably why I like Voivod so much... they are so outside the box, just like King Crimson.

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Cthon
Moderator
Member # 156

posted September 19, 2008 21:41

im pretty sure Metallica knew what Voivod sounded like even back in the 80s.

i cant quite recall whether they ever played any shows together, tho. i remember Blacky saying something about James Hetfield once...

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BlackCloud
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Member # 122

posted September 20, 2008 01:45

quote:
Originally posted by schroeder:
From what I hear, ALL the riffs on the new cd are played by Jamez

It's about time they went back to that old formula...I'm sure Rick had something to do with it as well. James is such an awesome and underrated rhythm guitarist, he infact played all rhythm, melody, and harmony guitars from "Kill 'Em All" to the "Black" album...as well as an occasional solo here and there. Kirk only played the leads on those albums...the idea is that you would match up better with yourself when doubling rhythms and doing overdubs as opposed to having someone else doing it, and the overall effect is a way more tighter sound...obviously.

Speaking of Kirk's "lame-ass" solos....I'd love to fucking break every single wah-pedal that he owns and ever will own!!! Jesus F. Christ...enough already!!! Even in structure, he's gotten worse...I don't see how he could even possibly repeat that drivel "live" note for note!

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SmedHed
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Member # 1041

posted September 20, 2008 17:23

Voivod has kicked Mets ass steadily since 1990 so whats news here?

Met wishes they had Voivod imagination

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AngelRat
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Member # 88

posted September 20, 2008 18:30

quote:
Originally posted by SmedHed:
Voivod has kicked Mets ass steadily since 1990 so whats news here?
Met wishes they had Voivod imagination

No, since 1984..

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Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted September 22, 2008 19:58

Leave it to metallica to try to bottle the dissonance and then sell it to john Q public.

"the Cheesifacation of the Dissonance"

Come to think of it, if someone could photoshop me a bottle of perfume or a bottle of beer with the lable reading...

** DISSONANCE **

by
VOIVOD
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mabye the Kula man and I could head on over to a tallica board and steal some of their fans.
(they are eventually going to want to know where those new sounds came from)

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L'Heavy
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Member # 655

posted October 03, 2008 00:00

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Originally posted by hexonutz:wah-ut-ever. kirk's "style" is overrated.
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It's the truth but I just want to add something. Metallica had always been overated (and lucky)since 1983. At this time, if Exodus wouldn't had problems with record companies, they would had the chance to release Bonded by Blood in 1983 instead of 1985 and Metallica would have been less highlighted because Bonded by Blood is a thousand times better than any Metallica album. Metallica is simply overated since their beginning.

In another context I agree also with the fact that Voivod are certainly the first to transpose dissonant chords in metal from first to last album and it's certainly one of their strengths. Piggy had influences from King Crimson and ELP. In 1970 Crimson have composed the Devil's Triangle and ELP The Barbarian and Piggy had always been a big fan of Prog Rock. It's why we often hear about Piggy's chords. Voivod had composed so many strong albums time after time. But I can't say someting similar about Metallica, cause they had never been innovators in nothing. Voivod rule!!!

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Slaytanic
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Member # 28

posted October 03, 2008 16:19

Hmmm, looks like Metallica bashing is still "hip".

But then what am I saying, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion.

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Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted October 04, 2008 02:19

Yeah I did'nt mean to start a bashing thread, it is a fair observation though. I would have to disagree about Metallica not being innovators and one thing for sure is they get the prize for defining a generation. In the future when all is looked back upon, if someone had to choose one word to describe our generation the answer is going be Metallica.

I still like Metallica and I jam to Ride the Lightning all the time. Metallica was without a doubt my favorite band, everything and anything was Metallica, that was up until I got hold of Dimension Hatross. But i will always remember how they let us down and sold out to the Powers That Be, then ignored the scene as if they were never part of it.

Talk about unforgivable... the second slap to the face was Lars and the Napster thingy.

!!! LONG LIVE VOIVOD !!!

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L'Heavy
VoivodFan
Member # 655

posted October 04, 2008 11:22

If I look at where realized Metallica and Exodus in 2008, Kirk would have been better to stay with Exodus realized that a lot further in developing their music. Especially since Exodus launched Shovel Headed Kill Machine, from this Metallica have just seems to be boring. Just ask to Jasonic!

And one thing I always believe is that Metallica never let the bass sound as much as it deserved. In many songs we can't hear this instrument or so few. It's not normal for a Heavy Metal band.

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Skul
VoivodFan
Member # 19

posted October 04, 2008 11:41

quote:
Originally posted by hexonutz:
wah-ut-ever. kirk's "style" is overrated.

This thread is overrated, too.

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L'Heavy
VoivodFan
Member # 655

posted October 04, 2008 12:17

I took this in Wikipedia :http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Newsted

''He debuted on the group's fourth studio album, …And Justice for All, which was subject to controversy and criticism for its poor production - namely its lack of identifiable bass.''

And at this link you can read something like this : http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1459215/20021218/voivod.jhtml

''Jason Newsted says Voivod, the veteran Canadian thrash band he recently joined, can kick Metallica's ass. ''

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Head Villain
VoivodFan
Member # 524

posted October 04, 2008 14:05

quote:
Originally posted by L'Heavy:

''Jason Newsted says Voivod, the veteran Canadian thrash band he recently joined, can kick Metallica's ass. ''

Haha! Go Jason!

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Cthon
Moderator
Member # 156

posted October 04, 2008 16:03

quote:
Originally posted by hexonutz:
eye of the beholder

no pun intended, hehe.

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