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Topic: DOWN Announce Canadian Headline Dates With VOIVOD
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schroeder
VoivodFan
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posted June 25, 2009 18:15
    
Pantera obviously has some totally obsessed fans, hence the fucker who shot Dimebag because he blamed him for breaking up the band. He shoulda shot Phil instead, since I think he was more the reason for the band end.I agree with ya H about not thinking they were as groundbreaking as so many people made them out to be. I think they had a couple killer albums but then got stale and boring and everything sounded the same (mostly because of Phil, for me at least). I sure as hell got tired of seeing Dime on every cover of every guitar and metal magazine for so many years. I certainly didn't think Damage Plan was pushing the envelope or breaking any new ground, and the same goes for all the different bands Phil's been part of post Pantera. I would bet money that if Dime were still alive there would have been a Pantera reunion by now to cash in on the drooling fans that would have wanted it so bad, and the corporations or sponsors that would have fronted the $$$ to make it happen. -------------------- yawn
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nothingface
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posted June 26, 2009 04:53
I was around for the "Cowboys From Hell" explosion and if you remember correctly, it came at a time when music really needed a kick in the teeth. Darryl's amazing riffs and like it or not, Phil's initial brash delivery was if not ground-breaking, an adrenaline shot to metal's flatlining corpse.I got to be around Phil a good bit in the New Orleans scene during that ascent and it wore on me. The guy became the caricature quickly. Then again, who wouldn't have? I was off the Pantera bandwagon before "Far Beyond Driven" came out and blew them off for more than 10 years. One night a couple years ago, I decided to give "Reinventing The Steel" a listen. In my opinion, it's way better than the previous records. Once I was able to distance myself from the hype and the crap, it still stands. Definitely worth a revisit for anyone here. Considering who is involved with Down, I expect more. It's weak, at best. As for milking the Pantera legacy. I don't think Darryl or Phil would be doing that at all. One thing can be said for both of those guys, they never did the same thing twice.
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schroeder
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posted June 26, 2009 18:52
Cowboys From Hell was definitley what the metal scene needed at the time it came out. Metal had gotten very weak around that time and even the Gods of metal like Priest and Maiden were releasing very lame albums. CFH was a great album on how metal used to be and what it should have been.... brutal, fun, fast, and in your face. I still enjoy that album when I spin it. Vulgar Display upped the ante and then there were all the clone bands that emerged and flooded the scene. So many bands were signed to be next Pantera. Just like when Dream Theater spawned a bazillion prog metal clone bands with pretentious guitar players, Neil Peart wanna be drummers and singers who had no balls and sounded like the guy from Air Supply. The market was saturated. So many "progressive" bands that never "progress". I'll have to give Reinventing the Steel, another spin. I liked Phil when he had and used his range. After Vulgar Display he just sang heavy and sludgy with a lot less dynamics. -------------------- yawn
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Jeffs
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posted June 26, 2009 23:18
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Originally posted by Sean:
One more date has been confirmed for Voivod on the Down tour:SEPT 18 Toronto, ON @ Koolhaus w/ DOWN
I'll be there.
Can't wait to see the band again, especially with Blacky playing...too cool. Pantera was a 50/50 flip in my fold of friends decades ago. I was in the nay, thought there sound was cheesy.
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h
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posted June 29, 2009 05:12
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Originally posted by nothingface:
I was around for the "Cowboys From Hell" explosion and if you remember correctly, it came at a time when music really needed a kick in the teeth.
This is the sort of Pantera related quote I get alot of the time, but just can't agree with. No offence - everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it's just that when this kick in the teeth happened, bands like Entombed were melting my brain, and back then they sounded fresh, inventive and far heavier. It's all just individual taste, of course. They are just one of those bands that never clicked for me, and I'm curious to know what other Voivod fans think, as most Pantera fans I know, don't get (or have never heard of) Voivod.
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schroeder
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posted June 29, 2009 09:43
I certainly don't think Pantera is timeless music that I can put on anytime and think "This id fuckin genius and original" like I can with bands like Voivod, Crimson, Porcupine Tree and many others.I think the promotion of Pantera had a lot to do with their success whereas other bands at the time who were far better, more unique, and original didn't have the promotion that Pantera had where they were in you face on the radio and shoved down your throat. I still play Vulgar Display & Cowboys from time to time but it doesn't have the same effect on my brain as say spinning NOTHINGFACE or THE OUTER LIMITS... or a thousand other albums. -------------------- yawn
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Emlyn K Helicopter
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posted June 30, 2009 05:13
hahaha, "Gym Metal"! Good one Mez!I am on Harrys side with this one. "Cowboys.." sounded slick and refined, like everything that was great about metal but completely devoid of intellect. Plus, I've met an awful lot of Pantera fans who were absolute arseholes. I've never met a VV or King Crimson or Killing Joke fan I didn't like. Anyway, well done Voivod for getting another high profile tour - hopefully Down fans are open minded enough to give them the respect they deserve. -------------------- Der der der-der DER! Der der der-der DER! DER!
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Slaytanic
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posted June 30, 2009 17:29
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Originally posted by newclear infusion:
Uhh, I think Down is doing them a favor.
Aaaaah, bingo! Thought no one would notice that. Good or not, they will bring a lot of kids to their concerts, hopefully some of them will pay attention to the opening band, just like Schroeder stated. On the other hand... quote:
Originally posted by Schroeder:
Cowboys From Hell was definitley what the metal scene needed at the time it came out. Metal had gotten very weak around that time and even the Gods of metal like Priest and Maiden were releasing very lame albums.
I also don't agree with that. Just to stick with the mainstream examples you mentioned: in that same year, Priest released one of their heaviest/most influential albums, Painkiller. And don't get me started on the undergound metal scene of that period... US Death Metal, need I say more?  -------------------- "Forty-five moments of perfection translated through a cautionary escape into the perils of the mundane, the inherent entropy in ultimate order, and the potential threats of eternal, unchecked apathy in civilization; all cloaked in musical expression so thoughtful, creative and forward thinking that almost a quarter-century later, few can even comprehend it, much less match it." (autothrall)
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posted June 24, 2009 23:49
