I don't know what is worse, Star Wars and Star Trek geeks, people who collect "action figures," or this.

Get out there and protest or contribute to a soup kithcen people, this is sad.

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Originally posted by SmedHed:
[QB]Oh you're so hardcore you blew 25.00 bucks on an album, and are RETRO at the same time.[QB]

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Dude, you are so WRONG! Retro? How old do you think the average Voivodfan is...? Most of us probably had stacks of thrash records before CDs were widely used.

And if the $25 you are complaining of is regarding the vinyl edition of Infini, you are also wrong about that (it's great!). Never regretted a vinyl purchase, ever.

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Btw, did you missed to purchase one?

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Get out there and protest or contribute to a soup kithcen people, this is sad.

There's people starving in Detroit.[/QB]

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Originally posted by X-D:
Dude, you are so WRONG! Retro? How old do you think the average Voivodfan is...? Most of us probably had stacks of thrash records before CDs were widely used.

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Yep, and I'm not even that old. *cough*.
What a tosser I must be for still owning a turntable. And being able to see the detail in the artwork is for cunts also. Please accept my humble grovelling apologies. Fuckface.

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And i don't even have a cartridge to play them

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Smed that's some heavy trolling, way worse that your usual. Something else must be bothering you...

Anyway, ironic you should mention Detroit, which is world famous for pioneering techno masters, and most of it is produced ONLY in vinyl format even today. So vinyl is one Detroit industry which has survived the recession and is contributing to the solution of their economic problem.

A good friend of mine has boxes full of Detroit techo, so he's contributed a lot, and he's only one of many. What have you contributed?

Vinyl is great, but since they're kinda back in vogue, you dont get to find incredibly great deals like in the mid-90's when no-one gave a fuck about vinyl anymore. I remember buying a bunch of great LP's like some DRI, Sabbat, Whiplash, etc... for like a dollar each, still in shrinkwrap!

Please tell me why I, a vinyl collector of some 26 years, suck.

I have 1,400 vinyls, 800 rock/metal, 100 other genres and 500 classical. Some of my classical stuff is older than I am and still sounds amazing. Don't even try to push the CD sounds better than vinyl argument - no serious hifi journalist will agree with you and it seems that many people out there are in fact rediscovering just how good their vinyl sounds as sales of vinyl are actually growing and have done so for a few years now.

Lets have a little history. CD was introduced in 1983 by Sony and Philips. It was promoted under the banner "perfect sound forever", which they were forced to drop because it was successfully proved than the sound was not perfect, nor did the disks last forever because if they are left exposed to light they oxidise and the disk becomes unplayable. Uptake of the new medium was not good. People were resistant because it was expensive to buy the players (about the same price as a Linn Sondek with Basik arm at the time) and the disks were more than double the price of vinyl. So they decided to offer 'bonus tracks' not available on the vinyl version. They began to doctor vinyl releases with bass filters, compression and also used inferior grade vinyls. In some cases polystyrene was used, a meduim which has tremendous surface noise but also breaks up as it is more brittle than vinyl, lasting on average 100 plays. Even after this there was still resistance so they made the choice for us - they released the CD and tape, but not the vinyl, so people were forced to buy CD players, and then the great change began. We didn't want CD but as is the way with many things, the corporations in the music industry decided it for us by manipulation and false claims. But vinyl has refused to die and is once again growing as people realise just how good it is.

Now things are changing again. 'Cloud' music is with us and everyone wants their music on a device the size of a shirt button. On line music stores are now selling compressed music at the same price as the uncompressed version on CD. And pay again if your hard drive dies as has happened to a few of my friends (yes, I did warn them!). It seems that the clouds are the way things are going and we, instead of physically owning our music, will just have access to it via an internet connection. Trust me, it is coming and the days of physical ownership are numbered. The sound quality of cloud music is generally terrible but it seems like we are becoming tone deaf and accept the fact that its coming to us at 128kbps mp3. Ignorance is bliss as they say, but as a person who has had the good fortune to listen to domestic sound systems of the very highest calibre and now the proud owner of a Linn turntable, Musical Fidelity amps and Celestion speakers, I do find it a depressing trend. I do hope the clouds get blown away, I really do.

However, there is something I do deplore about vinyl today. Major labels are demanding stupid sums of money for their vinyl releases. Another trick is to put a 40 minute album on a double album - completely unnecessary. Picture disks are another of my pet hates - every Iron Maiden release is on this format and it sounds horrid! So, from that point of view you do have a point and it is something I do object to as well.

Overall though your comments come across as an ill informed bitch about something you know nothing about. Do yourself a favour. Before you make such stupid comments go and listen to vinyl. Not the nasty USB turntables that sound quite atrocious or the excuses for turntables that adorn the all-in-one music systems - these things are better at ploughing fields than playing records. REAL turntables. Linn, Rega, Project, Michel, Thorens to name but a few. Then come back and make an informed comment.

Vinyl junkies do not suck - they are the lifeblood of real music!

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Vinyl: where art art music really come to life

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Originally posted by SmedHed:
Elitist snobs... what a waste of money for stupid collector geeks, why not donate to a soup kitchen, people w/ 2 coats should give one away?

A disc and record of the same thing when people are without food, selfish.

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I did give my first coat away. I sold the second to buy a copy of "Nothingface" on vinyl. It's hot here in New Orleans. I really don't need any coats.

Why do you hang around us stupid, elitist snob-collector geeks?

You're bothered by a bunch of hardcore record collectors and you don't mind people buying lots of exclusive food and throwing away half of it? Probably we're an easier target than people who seriously have too much money. So here's something for you to aim your arrows at:

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Originally posted by SmedHed:
Elitist snobs... what a waste of money for stupid collector geeks, why not donate to a soup kitchen, people w/ 2 coats should give one away?

A disc and record of the same thing when people are without food, selfish.

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so I assume you live a perfect life and give regularly to all deserving charities, leave no carbon footprint or eat mass produced meat?

Considering that these vinyl releases are in such limited numbers and appeal to a small number of fans of Voivod and the company releasing them are small time producers and not huge media corporations. I think that these releases are keeping these small time companies in jobs and putting food on their tables while also boosting their local economies. Thereby enabling them, if they wish, to contribute some portion of their earned money to whatever causes they wish, otherwise they would be unable to.

Besides - the sound off vinyl has far more scope and nuance than cd

also - soup kitchen wtf? who just eats soup?

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Originally posted by shargraves:

also - soup kitchen wtf? who just eats soup?

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Originally posted by SmedHed:
A disc and record of the same thing when people are without food, selfish.

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So you'll be selling your computer to raise money for the poor since you can use the ones at the library for free, correct?

And if not, you're an elitist snob.

All the best,
PAULIE

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