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Getting up early to throw my 2 cents at the man.

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A man enters the bar, orders a drink. The robot serves him a perfectly
prepared cocktail, then asks him, "What's your IQ?" The man replies,
"150."

So the robot proceeds to make conversation about Quantum physics,
string theory, atomic chemistry, etc. The customer is very impressed
and thinks, "This is really cool." He decides to test the robot. He
walks out of the bar, turns around, and comes back in for another
drink.
Again, the robot serves him the drink and asks him, "What's your IQ?"

The man responds, "100." And immediately the robot starts talking, but
this time, about football, NASCAR, baseball, supermodels, etc. Really
impressed, the man leaves the bar and decides to give the robot
one more test.

He goes back in, the robot serves him and asks, "What's your IQ?" The
man replies, "50." And the robot says, "So, you gonna vote for Bush
again?"

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Originally posted by Delightful Little Capuchin Monkey:

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Just picture me taking it in the olde bum by this guy.... That's pretty much how I feel about the election results right now.

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Four more years of stacking up mountains of corpses, scaring the American public into submission, of aggressive diplomatic procedures, ignoring the environment, very bad science, repression of fundamental human rights, religious fundamentalism, screwing over the economy and the working person.

Wonder when it will all collapse? One can only push an engine so hard 'til it blows.

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Please explain to me how rich people not supporting public education has anything to do with Bush being reelected. I'm pretty confident I know how you will respond but go ahead and shoot.

KofiLync, feel free to chime in here at any time.....

I think a majority of Americans who voted for Bush did so because they are fearful of that in which they don't understand: changing global balances, other cultures, different belief systems, even the supposedly 'radical' views of the non-religious left which accounts for much of the population of the USA.

The people have spoken and the message is that we don't want to change with the rest of the world. We will continue to do things like we always have and fuck all if they don't agree with us.

As for the rich not supporting public education... It's because their kids go to private schools. The success of their offspring is virtually guaranteed, but for that paradigm to work they have to keep the middle and lower classes in their place. The model is as old as civilization and ebbs and flows here in the USA. Right now it's flowing.

And finally, about the young Democrats not making the polls, yeah maybe they are not there. Young people just aren't as interested in questioning authority anymore.

I would like to know, Mez, why someone like you supports the Bush administration? You’re intelligent, you’re not rich, and I don't think you’re heavily religious. Please spare me flip-flop jokes and recycled lefty-bashing and give me the real reasons you think the American people have made the right choice.

BTW, I consider you a friend man, so please don't think I am all bitter or negative towards ya just because we have different POVs. If we were in the same room I'd be pouring you beers and having this same conversation with some Voivod or Ephel Duath playing in the background.

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1)The Tax relief(including going after the estate tax which is a major issue personally for me)
2)Pro-Gun Rights
3)Strong, unwavering leadership during the past four years in the face of challenging times

Subpoints
-A Massive Dislike of Clinton pushed me towards conservatism in the first place
-Look at the opposition: Kerry? Another extremely wealthy mofo(much wealthier than Bush)who would change the "status quo" HOW?

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as Wmania swept the nation.

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Originally posted by xXniaXx:
clinton 08

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No way! Kennedy in '05!

To be honest I think that Kerry not winning was a good thing. The two houses are so stacked with Republicans he'd never have got anywhere anyway.

How would I have voted? I have absolutely no idea to be perfectly honest. Two candidates which did nothing for me in the political sense. Frying pan or fire - that was the choice on offer. I guess it depended on how badly you wanted to get burnt.

As for UK 2005...I think Blair will win with a much reduced majority but the real surge will be Lib Dem's. There is the real potential that they could level up with the Conservatives. Now that I'd love to see!

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I think Blair will win with a much reduced majority but the real surge will be Lib Dem's. There is the real potential that they could level up with the Conservatives. Now that I'd love to see!

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I have to agree with you wholeheartedly on this. There's simply no way, as I see it, that Howard's Conservatives will mount much of a threat to Blair. I'll certainly be chipping in for the Liberal Democrats in my area, to see them equal or surpass the Conservative party would make me very happy indeed.

I doubt Blair will last a full third term either. Most of his old cronies want Brown, which I'd be pretty happy with, as I've said before.

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Originally posted by warcorpse:

This loss for the Democrats was huge.Think about possible Supreme Court appointments, Bush will be picking them now.

Huge.

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I had thought of that. I think I'll be at the bar after work, downing a fair amount of the Anodyne's fabulous bloody marys.

And Hypergrrl, think about the 55 million fellow Americans who voted for Kerry.... That's a fuck of a lot of folks.

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Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
I have to agree with you wholeheartedly on this. There's simply no way, as I see it, that Howard's Conservatives will mount much of a threat to Blair. I'll certainly be chipping in for the Liberal Democrats in my area, to see them equal or surpass the Conservative party would make me very happy indeed.

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Howard does not have the public support required to get elected as a Prime Minister. He is hated by so many people from the years introducing the dreaded Community Charge amongst so many other things. Blair must be quietly laughing at the state of the official opposition. I've not decided on my vote yet, except to say it sure as hell won't be Conservative. I would like to see the Lib Dems challenge the Conservatives as the official opposition come the next election. If this happens I will be happy.

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Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
I doubt Blair will last a full third term either. Most of his old cronies want Brown, which I'd be pretty happy with, as I've said before.

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I think we'll have to wait and see on this. What's partially blown it for him is that he has declared that he will only stand for another 4 years. I think that was an error on his part and will reduce his ability to serve out a full third term.

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Originally posted by Lycanthropy:
Ray of sunshine in America, though - I've heard on the grapevine that John Ashcroft won't be serving a second term. He's the one I saw as the real threat, so it'd be good to have him gone, at least.

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Originally posted by warcorpse:
I don't think Democrats have anything to take heart in, party leaders need to burn their playbook.

This loss for the Democrats was huge. Look at the decade long power loss, it's a continuing trend. House Minority Leader Daschle, gone. The Democrats absolutely needed this win. Think about possible Supreme Court appointments, Bush will be picking them now.

Huge.

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True enough, and maybe this is really what they need - a good, sharp kick in the nuts. It's obvious now that, as you say, their tactics aren't working. It's not really their policies, it's the fact that the Republican election machine is far better organised and more efficient. I think I'm justified in saying that some people who voted for Bush only because thye didn't like Kerry, voted not against John Kerry, but against the image Republicans created for John Kerry - I've heard him seriously called a "super-liberal" and even "socialist" by Republican supporters, which made me want to simultaneously laugh out loud and slap them silly. The Republican machine has made the world's greatest flip flopper (2000 Bush: "I don't think it's right to go into other countries and tell them how to do things" 2002 Bush: "Let's go into other countries and tell them how to do things") able to beat a flip flopper. As much as I detest their politics, they're good at what they do.

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Originally posted by Luna:
Just picture me taking it in the olde bum by this guy.... That's pretty much how I feel about the election results right now.

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Mez must be very stoked over Dubya winning, because he didnt even acknowledge this, haha. weird.

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