"Not that Middle Eastern kids are wearing George W. Bush T-shirts or pinning "Make Love, Not Martyrs" posters on their walls. And indeed, it's hard to quantify to what extent they link democracy with sex, at least as a remedy for the sexual repression that stultifies the region. But the guardians of their morality make that connection, and have done so for some time. In the late 1940s, for example, Egyptian ideologue Sayyid Qutb visited the United States, where the licentious behavior he discovered at a Colorado church dance so outraged him, he went on to pen the Mein Kampf of Islamofascist literature, Milestones. The mullahs of Iran have long inveighed against the lax morality of America. The handlers of Palestinian suicide bombers frequently direct their charges to Israeli nightclubs where they murder young people engaged in flirting, dancing and other social behavior. Last year, Dutch authorities busted a Moroccan pizza deliveryman who was planning a terrorist attack on Amsterdam's Red Light district. As for Arab music videos, the FT has Egyptian Brotherhood member Mohammad Mursi opining that clips "are a tool for moral destruction. There is no doubt about that. They are against our religion and our morals."

In Basra earlier this month, some 700 university students met for a picnic where, according to press reports, women were unveiled, music played, and the sexes intermingled — in short, kids doing what kids always do in the spring. Taking a page from their Iranian counterparts, however, men loyal to clerical firebrand Moqutada al-Sadr attacked the gathering, firing weapons into the air and beating students with sticks. The assault did not go over well with many Basrans, who held three days of demonstrations, compelling Sadr to issue an apology. Still, one Sadrist sheik, Ahmed al-Basri, was unrepentant: "We beat [them] because we are authorized by Allah to do so, and that is our duty. It is we who should deal with such disobedience and not the police."

It's hard to imagine a stupider statement, or one more certain to alienate the hearts, minds, and hormonal urges of young people — unless you consider Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab Zarqawi's declaration of "bitter war against democracy and all who seek to enact it." The Z-man's target list must now include eight million Iraqi voters and 60 percent of the country's college students, who believe that democracy is superior to other forms of government, including Iranian-style theocracy. Add to this a million Lebanese swarming the streets of Beirut. Meanwhile, an entire generation of young people is absorbing images of women who seem to transcend their narrow societal roles to express a free sensuality and overt power over men. It's only a matter of time — if that time has not already arrived — before young people will make the Rousseauian connection between natural instinct, sex and freedom on one hand, and terrorism, sterility, and puritanical Islam on the other. In the life of Mohammad himself, democracy, eroticism, and Allah appear as natural allies, their energies reinforcing one another. It's ironic that salafists and ayatollahs have long feared this communion, and the erosion it portends for their power. Now, it seems, their nightmare is coming true."

Holy shit, women unveiling to expose hair?????????? What is this world coming to? They definitely deserved a good thrashing!!

Now, we just need the Islamists Christian counterparts (some of whom have a forum in magazines such as National Review) to let go of their irrational hatreds (homosexuals, abortionists etc ad infinitum), and we'd be on to a winner.

But glad to see you're positive about the ariticle.

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Hatred? Criticism=hatred in the liberal playbook........? Ahh, I see.

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Not really. Hatred of homosexuals and abortionists is on exactly the same lines of Islamic oppression of women, free speech, all that good stuff. It all centres on one thing - restriction of a person's right to choose what's best for their own life and situations. Whatever the grounds for this is, be it religious or not.

Some cases there's criticism (there are, after all, legitimate concerns about abortion) but in others there's just hate.

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Democracy=Sex in the Middle East

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atleast the democratic version of sex says 18+ years of age.

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Not really. Hatred of homosexuals and abortionists is on exactly the same lines of Islamic oppression of women

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you couldnt be further from the truth...

Current islamic law permits marriage and sex by the age of 9 years old! and in some of the more poverty stricken countries they are doing just that, marrying their children off by 9yrs old legally and blessed by allah in a makeshift mosque to men whom allready have 1,2 and 3 or more wives. not suprising at all the men who opt for the 9yr old wives are usually in their mid 40's to their 60's in years of age. But it is by the mercy of allah which permits men to do this to children of poorer families.

I learned alot about what they like to call a (Sighe) which is a 'temporary marriage' that can last 2 hours or upto 99yrs depending on how much the male is willing to pay. The children are being abused to no end in the middle east and brainwashed but atleast democracys version of brainwashing is a little more suttle.

If you have not seen the BBC documentary called "prostitution behind the veil" i suggest you find this film, i found myself shaking my head quite a bit while watching it.

*link to the swiss muslim whom fled islamland*

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Q: what is the age one can marry under Islamic law ?

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In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner! Thank you for your question and the confidence you place in our service, and we pray to Allah to enable us render this service purely for His Sake.

As far as the issue of enacting laws specifying the minimum age of marriage, this issue is subject to debate among Muslim scholars. Some of them say that the ruler cannot enact such a law, while others say the ruler is entitled to issue such laws as long as the public interest of the society is maintained.

Shedding more light on this issue, the prominent Muslim scholar Dr. Husam Al-Din Ibn Musa `Afana, professor of Fiqh and the Principles of Islamic Jurisprudence at the University of Jerusalem, Palestine states:

"There is much fuss about the issue of early marriage with many calls to delay the age of marriage. Here I wish to start with some texts that encourage Muslims to hasten marriage. Almighty Allah says: “And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be poor, Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.” (An-Nur: 32) Almighty Allah also says: “marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four” (An-Nisaa’: 3) The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is reported to have said: “O young people! Who of you is able to marry, let him marry, for this will help him lower his gaze and preserve his chastity. As for him who is unable to marry, let him fast for this will help him stop the (evil) desires.” Also in a hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “…and I marry women. So, whoever abstains from following my example does not belong to me.”

From all these texts, it is clear that as far as Islam is concerned, there is no specific minimum age for marriage. Muslim scholars even said that a minor boy and girl who are under the age of puberty can get married.

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so liberals are against sex if it happens in another country? im super confused here.

maybe im just missing how this is a partisan thing.

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Is this kind of like how conservatives discourage theocratic government overseas, yet push for it here at home? Huh?

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"Pornography exists everywhere, of course, but when it comes into societies in which it's difficult for young men and women to get together and do what young men and women often like doing, it satisfies a more general need…While doing so, it sometimes becomes a kind of standard-bearer for freedom, even civilization.
—Salman Rushdie, "The East Is Blue," 2004

Inside Arab Teens you will get access to brand-new Arab girls straight out of Iraq…ready to show you what goes on when you're not allowed to fuck in public for decades and suddenly you can because Saddam is gone.
—Arab Teens website

Perhaps the most significant cultural fallout of September 11, 2001, was the dawning realization that we can no longer ignore the Muslim world and must somehow find it in our hearts to jerk off to their women.

There is no pooty-tang on earth more sexually repressed than Islamic pooty-tang, and thus there is no pooty-tang that's sexier. Almost everywhere that the Star ‘n' Crescent holds sway, you'll find Muslim vaginas squashed under a hairy Quranic thumb. From Malaysia to Bahrain, the hapless babes of Islam get blamed for any sexual savagery that befalls them. Rape victims are routinely slaughtered by relatives seeking to reclaim the family's dignity through an "honor killing." Under the Taliban, an Afghan woman was once beaten to death by a mob for accidentally exposing part of her arm. Every year, roughly two thousand Bangladeshi ladies accused of "indecency" are permanently disfigured when acid is tossed in their faces. Egyptian gals suffer routine clit-clippings. In Saudi Arabia, you're allowed to kill your bitch merely for talking to another man.

And if you star in a porno in Iran, honey, they'll stone you to death.

Not an angry mob. The government will do it.

To Western reporters such as I, her name remains hidden beneath an invisible metaphoric burqa of secrecy. But in May of 2001, a 35-year-old Iranian woman was ritually washed by guards at Tehran's Evin prison, swaddled in a white shroud, and buried alive up to her armpits. She was then pelted to death with rocks, which, according to the Iranian penal code, "should not be too large so that the person dies on being hit by one or two of them [but not] so small either that they could not be defined as stones.'' Her gruesome demise was the culmination of eight years' imprisonment after being convicted of starring in a 1993 underground hardcore porno video. The film, described as having a grainy, home-movie quality, was thought to be the first specimen of pornographic cinema filmed in the Islamic Republic of Iran since 1979's bloody revolution. Although the filmmakers blacked out the actors' faces, investigators traced a serial number on a water meter filmed in the background. The hot Iranian twat was arrested, found guilty of "corruption on earth," and murdered by rocks carefully selected according to government guidelines. No word on what happened to any of the film's male actors. They were probably among the rock-throwers. Like I said, it sucks being a Muslim woman.

"I didn't want to insult Islam," pleaded Amal Kashua as she recovered in a hospital bed after being violently mobbed by Muslims in her Israeli hometown of Tira. A 38-year-old mother of eight and self-described drug addict, Kashua was the female star of 2002's Yussuf and Fatima, touted by its producers as "the first Israeli-Arab porno." Yussuf and Fatima's video box featured the couple posed erotically in front of a minaret. Kashua's costar and reputed husband, a Palestinian male known only as "Amir," was also beaten in the attack. "The whole town is satisfied and dissatisfied at once," said a Tira resident after the mobbing. "Satisfied at what happened, because we tried to protect our honor, but on the other hand dissatisfied, because she didn't die, nor her husband." Kashua's family posted a death decree against her in the town square. "If I could, I would eat them both raw and spit them out," her brother told Israeli television.

The film's producer remained upbeat. "Since this whole story over Yussuf and Fatima broke out, we have sold hundreds of copies, most of them in the Arab sector," he told a reporter. "We may make another Arabic film. It pays."

Anywhere you have boys and cameras, you will have pornography. Muslim countries are no exception, but the punishments are so over-the-top that very little porn is actually produced there. Most of it oozes in from the Evil Infidel West.

The Holy Quran explicitly condemns nearly all public displays of female flesh. "Al-rijal qawwamun ‘ala al-nisa' bi ma faddala Allahu ba‘duhum ‘ala ba‘din wa bi ma anfaqu min amwalihim."

Oh, wait—duh! You guys speak English! Sorry: "Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them."

These "unseen parts" wield a strong erotic undertow among 1) Muslim males who've never seen pictures of an unseen part and 2) Western males who've never seen Muslim unseen parts. Under this cultural exchange, Arabs finally get to see vaginas and non-Arabs finally get to see Arab vaginas. Everybody wins!

The Middle East has the lowest per-capita Internet representation on earth. Even frickin' Africa has a higher percentage of people logging on. Still, a recent study concluded that 80% of all Internet traffic in Arab countries heads straight for the porn sites. And the mullahs are scrambling to stop it.

Responding to allegations that Asian female attendants were rendering sexual favors to clients at private Internet cubicles, Kuwaiti officials recently shut down 50 Internet cafes. Kuwait also recently outlawed Bluetooth software, alleging that men were using it to trade indecent photos on their camera phones.

In Yemen, all computer screens at Internet cafes must be turned so that the public can view them. If you try to access porn from any computer in the United Arab Emirates, a pop-up will announce that the site is on "Emirates Internet Control List" and prohibited from public viewing. All net traffic in Saudi Arabia passes through anti-porn filters at the King Abdul Aziz City for Science and Technology. In 2000, Saudi officials blocked access to all Yahoo clubs, responding to reports that frisky Saudi citizens were using the clubs to swap nude snapshots.

Porn is so antithetical to the Islamic consciousness that Western invaders have repeatedly used it as part of their psy-ops programs. For no other apparent purpose than to outrage Muslims, the CIA reputedly hosts several "Islamic porn" sites depicting alleged Muslim women huffing cock and riding the baloney pony. In 2001, the website for militant Muslim group Hamas was hacked so that surfers were led to "Hot Motel Horny Sex Sluts." In 2002, an Islamic News Network TV program in the scaldingly fundamentalist Iranian province of Hamedan was interrupted with three minutes of hardcore sex. When Israeli troops occupied the West Bank town of Ramallah in 2002, they seized three of the city's four television stations and broadcast nonstop pornography. And after their pillaging of Fallujah in May of 2004, US troops reportedly littered the deeply religious Iraqi city with thousands of hardcore porno pictures.

In the same month, two pro-Muslim websites as well as the venerable Boston Globe were hoaxed with pictures purportedly depicting American soldiers sexually brutalizing anguished Iraqi maidens. In reality, the pictures were from staged pornographic shoots featured on "Iraq Babes," a site hosted in Pennsylvania, and "Sex in War," which originates in Hungary. (Apparently, the faux raping of Muslim chicks has become a cottage online porno industry since the war started.) A Tunisian website mistakenly declared that the photos were part of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, where, if you'll recall, American soldiers made actual S&M pornography using Muslim prisoners.

Yet I am not one to condemn our fine boys and girls over there doing a good job civilizin' the sand nigras. As Salman Rushdie said, pornography is a sign of civilization. A pox upon those who call us savage imperialists. We have liberated the Evil Bearded Caveman Middle East. We have brought them freedom and pornography, and more importantly, the freedom to view pornography. Triple-X videos are said to be doing brisk business in Baghdad's streets. And in once-prehistoric Afghanistan, satellite dishes are sprouting all over rooftops, tuned in to hot naked action beamed from the wonderful, wonderful West. Phone sex is said to be all the rage in Saudi Arabia, and those crazy Turks have gone bonkers for gay porn.

Lift that burqa, baby. I wanna see what you got under there.

JIM GOAD"
http://www.viceland.com/issues/v12n1/htdocs/hot.php

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"They've been mindless dogs since the dawn of time.....let them continue to be ruled by dictators.....its their culture."

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who said that? Noam Chomsky, haha?

im not debating the merits of democracy or sex. im debating the point that you think liberals are anti-democracy. when did you start giving a shit about Iraq becoming a democracy? 2 years ago?

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Originally posted by GarbageDay:
Inside Arab Teens you will get access to brand-new Arab girls straight out of Iraq…ready to show you what goes on when you're not allowed to fuck in public for decades and suddenly you can because Saddam is gone.
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Humm, i got quite interested in seeing some iraqi poontang after reading the cut&pasted reply. I decided to google it, (yeah sick i know) I happened to not be able to find one link that did not take me to India/Hindu website... Now i think that is far from 'liberated iraqi booty'
When you find the site direct from iraq or palestine please post it here so i can scan my credit card and check out some of that authentic supressed puddin'.

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when did you start giving a shit about Iraq becoming a democracy? 2 years ago?

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It certainly wasn't when Saddam was an officially Republican-sanctioned dictator.

Or when Reagan funded terrorist actions on the behalf of a corrupt dictatorship against a popular, liberalizing and progressive government.

Here's what Reagan stood against in Nicaragua:

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Nationalisation of property owned by the Somozas and their collaborators.
Land reform.
Improved rural and urban working conditions.
Free unionisation for all workers, both urban and rural.
Control of living costs, especially basic necessities (food, clothing, and medicine).
Improved public services, housing conditions, education (mandatory, free through high school; schools available to the whole national population; national literacy campaign).
Nationalisation and protection of natural resources, including mines.
Abolition of torture, political assassination and the death penalty.
Protection of democratic liberties (freedom of expression, political organisation and association, and religion; return of political exiles).
Equality for women.
Free, non-aligned foreign policy and relations.
Formation of a new, democratic, and popular army under the leadership of the FSLN.
Pesticide controls
Rain forest conservation
Wildlife conservation
Alternative energy programs

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"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." The conservative movement has a lot of scrubbing to do before you can start slinging those rocks, pal.

democracy became an uber-important rallying point about the same time that weapons of mass destruction became extinct, right?

this thread IS worth tons of laughs.

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Originally posted by Mezcalhead:

Sir, thank you for giving me a good laugh this morning...isn't it just like those old commie hating republican bastards to crush a beautiful utopian movement which had as part of its 'program for the people' : pesticide controls, rain forest/wildlife conservations and to TOP IT OFF ALTERNATIVE ENERGY PROGRAMS(I can see those solar panels just pulling in the sunlight in the middle of the jungle)!!!!!!!!!! I'll tell ya, this little central american group had it going. Fucking A! Was this Nicaragua Lync or Holland??????.......Damn you Reagan Damn you!!!!

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It's all a big joke when you ignore the important ones.

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Abolition of torture, political assassination and the death penalty.

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...which had been prevalent under the Reagan-backed dictatorship.

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Protection of democratic liberties (freedom of expression, political organisation and association, and religion; return of political exiles).

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Wait, what's this? America stands against it's own founding virtues?

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Equality for women.

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So, you champion it in Iraq, try and suppress it in Nicaragua...

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Free, non-aligned foreign policy and relations.

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Hot damn!

I'm not going to hold up the Sandinistas as gods, or icons, or infallible perfect beings who were targeted by inhuman reactionaries. But you can't support dictators one day, change your mind the next, and blame it all on "liberals".

Well, you can, it just doesn't make any fucking sense.

Hey, I'm just happy you made one comment and I quote:

Nice article, uplifting. I love the smell of progress in the morning.

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Wait, what's this? America stands against it's own founding virtues?

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The founding fathers were Republican

It went something like this...

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And to the Republic
For which it stands
One Nation
Under GOD
Indivisible
With liberty and Justice for ALL

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Republicans use Democracy. "meaning a Majority or a Vote"

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DICTIONARYdotCOM:

republic:
noun:

1. A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.

2. A nation that has such a political order.

3. A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

4. A nation that has such a political order.
often Republic A specific republican government of a nation: the Fourth Republic of France.

5. An autonomous or partially autonomous political and territorial unit belonging to a sovereign federation.

6. A group of people working as equals in the same sphere or field:

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The 'democratic party' is an addition (meaning) "coming after the virtues and values were allready established"

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SAME PLACE:

democrat:
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1. An advocate of democracy.
2. A member of the Democratic Party.

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Count em -- one,two... gives a wide scope to being a democrat I'd say.

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Lyc:
Protection of democratic liberties

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with the proper meanings defined you should be able to make out the meaning behind that NON-twisted statement of the speech?

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Mez, duck the issue all you want, but you can't go blazing off about "bad little liberals" without accepting your own faults.

Yeah, it does sound whiter than white - I just grabbed it off Wikipedia, on their "Nicaragua" entry.

But then, ask yourself, even if that is slightly unbelievable... who were you supporting again? Oh, that's right, the murderous fascists.

And those WMD's Cthon...those were trucked into Syria when the US was wrangling with the 'international community' to get permission to go in there..and the goal if you look back from the beginning was let the Iraqis set up a democratic government for the Iraqis. Which is happening as we speak, quite successfully, considering the circumstances. My point earlier was that many liberals are so against the war they would much rather have total failure of the democratic process in Iraq than success...if only to justify their claims that WAR IS WRONG and BUSH IS EVIL. Fucking A, if those people can benefit from this...let it happen, damn the politics. I don't care if they still hate Americans fine...we won't build you any walmarts!

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Right now, I'm gonna see if I can go buy some stock in some of those 'jungle solar panels'. Get in while the getting is good.

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im only really disturbed with you for one thing right now, Mez. youve really been slacking in your southern manners. poor Hatross has been giving you some awesome help on all these threads and you havent shown one bit of appreciation for all his internet research. tsk tsk.

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It all centres on one thing - restriction of a person's right to choose what's best for their own life and situations.

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Given the execrable judgment skills of most people, I think this is necessary.

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