Post New Topic  Post A Reply
my profile | register | search | faq | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
»  VoivodFan   » Technocratic Manipulators   » Palestine...?

UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: Palestine...?
Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted July 21, 2006 18:54     Profile for Hatröss   Email Hatröss     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Was there ever a state of Palestine? Did Israel conquer Palestine and replace it with a Jewish state?

In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war.
The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. ...Palestine has never existed ...as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.

- Joseph Farah, Arab-American journalist,
editor and CEO of WorldNetDaily


When Jews began to immigrate to Palestine in large numbers in 1882, fewer than 250,000 Arabs lived there, and the majority of them had arrived in recent decades. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University Prof. Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said: "There is no such thing as 'Palestine' in history, absolutely not." In fact, Palestine is never explicitly mentioned in the Koran, rather it is called "the holy land" (al-Arad al-Muqaddash).

In a recent speech to the United Nations General Assembly, Yasser Arafat talked of "the need to realize justice for the Palestinian people, to restore their international status and their seat in the United Nations." He referred to "our country, Palestine" and expressed the hope that it would be "restored its freedom."
The meaning of this message is clear: Palestine is a country that belonged to the Palestinians until it was invaded and usurped by the Jews. Jerusalem was the Palestinian capital now being Judaized by Israel. Justice will be served only if the Palestinians are allowed to re-establish their sovereignty in it.

That all this is unadulterated fiction has not prevented many governments from accepting it. Nor has it deterred pundits from upbraiding Israel for failing to "give back" Palestinian land.

In fact, there never has been a state called Palestine, nor have the Palestinian Arabs ever been an independent people, and Jerusalem never has been an Arab or Muslim capital. Jerusalem has had an absolute Jewish majority for more than a century (and a plurality before that), and for the last three thousand years, only the Jewish people have called it their capital....To inveigh against "Judaizing" Jerusalem is like protesting the Arabization of Cairo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

JIHAD !! yeah man yeah...


 |  IP: Logged
Hatröss
VoivodFan
Member # 7

posted July 21, 2006 19:39     Profile for Hatröss   Email Hatröss     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Come to think of it, India does not want it either...

KASHMIR

Any religion that is not tolerant or respectful to any other but their own is surely still in the Ox & Cart stage.

Look at India and how many different religions are there, and the diversity from the north to the south is so complex yet they fly one unified tri-color and make up the largest democratic population on the planet.


 |  IP: Logged
blacky
VoivodFan
Member # 2

posted July 22, 2006 00:09     Profile for blacky   Email blacky     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Even if Palestine is not an official Country, it sound to me that today it is recognize as such by most of world.

The following was taken from this site Encyclopaedia of the Orient

Palestine as one unity is a fairly young idea, growing as a parallel contender to Zionism, becoming a strong force first after the war of 1947/9. Until the 1990s, the establishment of a Palestinian state seemed very unlikely.

1988: Jordan gives up the West Bank in favour of the Palestinian people. The West Bank had still a strong majority of Palestinians who considered towns and villages in Israel as their true homes. The West Bank was also under boundless Israeli control, which it had been since the occupation of 1967.
— November 15: The Palestinian state is declared in an convention in Algiers, and a flag for the new state is presented. This new state is recognized only by states that have not recognized Israel, and it has no political power, only symbolic.

1993: The Oslo Agreement is presented to the great surprise of the world public. The content of the Oslo Agreement is a "peace for land"- principle.
— September 13: Oslo Agreement is signed in Washington.

1994: Autonomy of Jericho on the West Bank, and Gaza Strip begins. The agreement is signed on May 4, and the period of autonomy will end on May 4, 1999.

1995: Oslo 2 Agreement is signed in Washington. This changes much of the content of the Oslo agreement, and settles the rules for the forthcoming peace process. The West Bank is divided into three zones, where the Palestinians only control the security in some of the larger cities.

1996: National elections, which foreign observers declare as free and fair. The elections have a good turnout, and Yassir Arafat is elected president.

1997: This becomes a year of minimal progress in the peace negotiations between Palestine and Israel, much thanks to the hard line politics of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He initiated the establishment of new Jewish-only settlements on the West Bank, which resulted in destroyed connections between the Palestinian territories and East Jerusalem. Arafat responded with less willingness to conduct talks with Israel, and the Palestinians resumed their fights, similar to how the situation had been during the Intifada.

2000 July 4: The Palestinian Central Council ratifies a plan for officially declaring a Palestinian state on September 13, even if no final peace agreement has been reached with Israel. Polls among Palestinians show pessimism over the possibility of having a final peace agreement with Israel by September 13. A majority also believes that a Palestinian state will not be declared on this date. 1/3 were in favour of direct confrontation or a new intifada, while another 1/3 supported the Palestinian leadership.
— September 13: This day passes, but no independence is declared, as no final peace agreement has not been signed with Israel.
— September 28: A new intifada breaks out, following Ariel Sharon's provocative visit to Muslim sanctities in Jerusalem/Al Quds. Over the following 3 months, many small clashes between stone throwing Palestinian youths and armed Israeli military, leaves hundreds of killed. There are also killings of Israelis performed by armed Palestinian guerilla, as well as killings by illegal Jewish settlers against Palestinians.

2005 February: The Israeli government adopt a plan for Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip.
— August 15: Despite heavy Jewish protests, the Israelis start dismantling Israeli settlements in Gaza Strip along with removing Jewish settlers.
— September 12: The Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip is completed. Israel also moves out of the Philadelphi Route, the Israeli corridor parallel to the border line, making it possible for Palestinians and Egyptians to cross between the two countries.

2006 January 26: Hamas wins a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council. They get 42.9% of the votes and 76 of 132 seats.


 |  IP: Logged
K
VoivodFan
Member # 6

posted July 22, 2006 06:27     Profile for K   Email K     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
"The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs."
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php

::::::

It doesnt matter to me if the people are Arabs, Greeks, Albanians, Martians...The fact is that they are there NOW and were there before the Jews invaded.
The brutal way that the Jewish Governments (As supported by the Jewish people) treat the Palestinians is disgusting.

The first quote from Joseph Farrah is complete nonsense.
He is a Jewish Christian and pro Israel.
Its like quoting Baghdad Bob who said there were no Amerikan tanks in Baghdad!

Israel needs to be delt with in the harshest of ways.
Theyre refusal to follow the morals of human dignity and International Law is an outrage.


 |  IP: Logged
polypterus
Junior VoivodFan
Member # 836

posted July 26, 2006 15:50     Profile for polypterus   Email polypterus     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Palestine never existed as a country but this is not unique. Look around at all the countries that were created in the last couple of centuries. In any case there were Palestinians and a region called Palestine if not a country. As for its Arab population I don’t have the numbers myself but if you look at the world population growth a figure of 250,000 is not so far off the mark given the recent history of the area. All this really doesn’t matter. The problem exists now however it started. I’m sure it will exist 50 years from now as both sides will go on blaming and killing each other. Its gone way past the point where “who started it” means anything. At this point both sides are complicit in the conflict. Welcome to "War and Pain".
 |  IP: Logged

All times are ET  

Post New Topic  Post A Reply Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
Hop To:

Contact Us | VoivodFan

Powered by Infopop Corporation
Ultimate Bulletin Board 6.04